Please create the www-team mailing list

[lunar]

In order to create a team of people caring for the website, it would be good to have a space to have discussions regarding website internals and its general structure. Could we please have a www-team@… for that matter?

I am willing to maintain that list for the time being.

[atagar]

Hi Lunar. This is development related, so to start with why not use tor-dev@? If there turns out to be a high volume of discussions then we can split it off, but at this point it seems a little premature.

[lunar]

Please have a look at the brainstorm dump from 30C3 currently on the wiki. Do you really think discussing the best way to organize content on the website is related to what is usually discussed on tor-dev?

Or the other way around, do you think that the web designers who want to help us build a better website will be interested by discussions related to patches for tor, TBB, or Stem? The main idea is to bring new volunteers on board. Everyone else is way too busy to spend a serious amount of time on the website, it appears.

[atagar]

Please have a look at the brainstorm dump from 30C3 currently on the wiki.

Yup, I've been keeping an eye on it. I'm curious to see where it goes. I have a vested interest in a few of the pages like the volunteer section, after all. :P

Do you really think discussing the best way to organize content on the website is related to what is usually discussed on tor-dev?

Sure. Don't see why not.

Or the other way around, do you think that the web designers who want to help us build a better website will be interested by discussions related to patches for tor, TBB, or Stem? The main idea is to bring new volunteers on board.

The list doesn't get overly much traffic so it's simple to pick and chose the topics you're interested in.

Just my two cents but I suspect a dedicated list will hamstring rather than help your efforts to get new volunteers involved for a few reasons...

1. This project doesn't yet have a dedicated, core development community. Being exposed on tor-dev@ will likely get input (and maybe even direct involvement) from more people giving it a better chance of taking off.

2. Volunteers like to be acknowledged for their work. A dedicated list will limit this project's visibility and pretty much guarantee that no one will know you folks are even thinking about a new site.

3. Being part of the general development list will better foster the feeling of being part of the project. They might not read the other threads, but they'll at least have some notion that they're part of a wider, active development community.

If this project really takes off and spawns hundreds of emails then I agree we should think about making a separate list for it. Until then, however, I think limiting its exposure would be unwise.

Cheers! -Damian

[lunar]

1. I'm trying to build a community of people interested in working on the website! So sure, there's no development community yet. The fact that we don't recognize the work on the website as something specific is why I think designers and usability experts think we don't need them. Also working on the website is not only a single project, it has to be maintained and there's a lot of gardening to be done.

2. We have Tor Weekly News to acknowledge volunteers work, spread information about progress and call for more help. This has been more effective than “everyone on a crowded mailing list” approach.

3. If you work on the website, organizing information about the whole project, I can be pretty sure that you feel that you are part of a wider thing.

I am sorry but I don't feel like doing a public announcement in Tor Weekly News and a dedicated blog post saying “we need help with the website. Designers, usability experts, please come and join us” if the end is “you should subscribe to tor-dev”.

I am not coming with this out of the blue. I'm coming with this after more than two hundred people showed up at a session called “How to help Tor?” during the 30C3, and discussing several times with web designers telling me “I want to help, I just don't know where to go”. Could we just try to make that place now?

[lunar]

Or do you think we should kill the news-team mailing list too and prepare every Tor Weekly News edition using tor-dev? What's the difference?

[arma]

Replying to lunar:

Could we just try to make that place now?

Sounds great to me. Let's give it a try. Thanks for moving this forward.

[phobos]

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