Opened 5 years ago

Closed 3 years ago

#13714 closed defect (fixed)

Replace startpage.com with duckduckgo (startpage is hostile tor Tor users)

Reported by: duS3u_uus9usu Owned by: tbb-team
Priority: Medium Milestone:
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Description

Startpage.com is hostile to Tor users, and should be replaced with duckduckgo.

Statpage consistently returns error pages claiming an affinity for Tor users, but blocks searches via. Tor nonetheless. The blocking is so prevalent that a Google search via Tor is more likely to succeed without a Captcha vs. startpage.com.

There is no BS with Duckduckgo, which should be the default search engine in the TBB.

Also, I suffer from Dyslexia, and it was extremely difficult to sign-up for this bugzilla due to nearly impossible to decipher capthchas. I have a very heard time reading these things. There must be a better way -- they really suck for ppl. with this disorder. JMHO.

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Change History (5)

comment:1 Changed 5 years ago by LordSamanon

To be fair, I'm not sure if DDG can be trusted. I mean it is far better than google, but... http://www.alexanderhanff.com/duckduckgone If that article is legit, which it is, then DDG may not be the best. But then again, maybe ixquick/startpage can't be trusted. What I would like to see is #6151 reopened because it is clearly not fixed. If they want my screenshot to prove the problem still exists, I will be happy to provide it. (or they could just try to search something)

comment:2 Changed 5 years ago by rl1987

Component: - Select a componentTor Browser
Owner: set to tbb-team

comment:3 Changed 5 years ago by cypherpunks-duplicate

Indeed, recently startpage has given more and more captchas. I wonder if that is because of a raise in the number of users (or users who use startpage at the same time in TBB), or if it is merely startpage fault. Anyway, I noticed they used to simply give a page saying "we love tor but..." while now we have a captcha. Which doesn't even work very well, because after you put in the correct captcha you have to write your search again (they just redirect you to the home page).
duckduckgo is a viable alternative, even more because they support a hidden service which is better in some ways... You can be sure you are taking to the correct destination and there is unlike that https hijack will result in your searches being read by a malicious exit relay. All in all, maybe that hidden service should be the default page?

On the other hand, I don't know if duckduckgo has a link for "non filtered results". Startpage created one specially for TBB.

All in all, I don't know if there will ever be a "100% friendly tor search engine", we should wonder if duckduckgo won't do the same after they start to receive so much traffic from us (or if they won't start selling ads for companies who want to target anonymous users into buying their stuff). But we really need to talk to startpage and say that we are not gonna take this crap from our default search engine. Maybe a change to duckduckgo would actually be a good idea.

comment:4 Changed 5 years ago by cypherpunks

MetaGer is another option.

They claim not to store IP addresses or browser fingerprints, and it can be accessed via their hidden service.

I admit, I haven't tried them for too long, so I can't vouch for the results quality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer
https://www.metager.de/en/privacy.html
http://b7cxf4dkdsko6ah2.onion/tor/en/

comment:5 Changed 3 years ago by bugzilla

Resolution: fixed
Severity: Normal
Status: newclosed
Version: Tor: 0.2.6.1-alpha

Startpage is no longer the default search engine.

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