Opened 5 years ago

Closed 5 years ago

#15397 closed task (worksforme)

Please create tor-bridges@lists.torproject.org mailing list for bridge operators

Reported by: isis Owned by:
Priority: Medium Milestone:
Component: Internal Services/Service - lists Version:
Severity: Keywords: pt, tor-bridge, bridgedb, lists
Cc: isis, Yawning, atagar Actual Points:
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Description

Yawning and some others and I discussed at the Valencia dev meeting the need for a list for bridge operators. This list is expected to be extremely low traffic, consisting primarily of announcements such as "These are the transports you should consider running…", "obfs2 is now deprecated", "Bridge operators should consider upgrading their Tor to 0.2.5.x, because #13202", etc.

Please create tor-bridges@lists.torproject.org!

Is there anything extra that I should do? Does it need to be moderated? Can we set it up so that only users registered on the list can post?

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Change History (2)

comment:1 Changed 5 years ago by karsten

Maybe having a list only for bridge operators is a good idea.

But maybe it's a better idea to recognize that operating bridge relays is not that different from operating non-bridge relays, and that these discussions could as well go to the relay operators list. The announcements you mention as examples are indeed primarily targeted at bridge operators. But there may be other announcements like "All relays and bridges should upgrade to Tor version 0.x.y immediately", and then you'd have to post that to two lists. And of course you'd miss one of them. And of course you or somebody else would start cross-posting and the world as we know it will end. So, it seems that relay operators would not mind if you add this extremely low traffic to their this list. And maybe they start finding it interesting to also run a bridge? And, oh hey, look how the description of the tor-relays@ list already includes bridges: "support and questions about running Tor relays (exit, non-exit, bridge)".

All that being said, the policy is that if you're a Tor person and offer to moderate a list, you shall have it, even if list admins think it's not such a good idea. If you still want it, please say so, and we'll make it happen.

comment:2 in reply to:  1 Changed 5 years ago by isis

Resolution: worksforme
Status: newclosed

Replying to karsten:

But maybe it's a better idea to recognize that operating bridge relays is not that different from operating non-bridge relays, and that these discussions could as well go to the relay operators list.


When we discussed it at the Valencia meeting, Yawning and I both found our announcements to tor-relays@ to feel rather ineffectual, like no one was listening (and also that we had to repeat the same information constantly). However, I think you're correct that having two mailing lists is going to solve neither of those problems. I talked with Yawning again, and we both agreed to continue to use tor-relays@… for bridge-operator-related announcements.

Closing for now… Sorry for the noise, Karsten and atagar!

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