Changes between Initial Version and Version 1 of Ticket #19057, comment 1


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May 15, 2016, 1:00:53 PM (3 years ago)
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  • Ticket #19057, comment 1

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    1 I disagree. You seem to have a misconception of how law enforcement works. There is no legal pressure to not accept Tor users; the reason why mail providers start rejecting Tor users is because a minority of the Tor users create annoyances due to spamming and abuse. In certain situations of course law enforcement would contact a mail provider and ask them to idenify a user, but that is the result of active misuse, not because they found it on a list on the Torproject wiki, and in the usual jurisdiction this is not a legal problem since it is legal to not verify user information. Law enforcement will not reach out and pressure a provider simply because of the fact they allow or don't allow Tor users.
     1I disagree. You seem to have a misconception of how law enforcement works. There is no legal pressure to not accept Tor users; the reason why mail providers start rejecting Tor users is because a minority of the Tor users create annoyances due to spamming and other abuse. In certain situations of course law enforcement would contact a mail provider and ask them to idenify a user, but that is the result of active misuse, not because they found it on a list on the Torproject wiki, and in the usual jurisdiction this is not a legal problem since it is legal to not verify user information. Law enforcement will not reach out and pressure a provider simply because of the fact they allow or don't allow Tor users.
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    33Not listing providers in that sense will protect them from being easily found from a large number of Tor users and abusers. This will reduce the abuse, which will probably result in them allowing Tor "by accident" (by default) for longer. This is a larger discussion around misuse and protecting "valuable" services, but for me the benefits and the publication of such information outweighs the downsides.