Please create tor-users@

During the Winter Dev Meeting 2016 it was discussed to make a new mailing list tor-users@lists.tp.o. This list should be the place for discussion around the Tor software and replace tor-talk@lists.tp.o. Also the discussion on tor-project showed that there are a number of people who are willing to be moderators. So let's start the experiment. ;-)

• Name of the list: tor-users
• List maintainer: listowner@
• List moderator: qbi, gamambel, gunner, griffin
• Description: General discussion list about the technical aspects of Tor and its subprojects

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I created the list and added it to the list of lists.

Next step would be to announce it on our several other mailing lists.

May be something, but maybe not...

Dear tor-talkers, In recent weeks the number of abstract, abusive and off-topic threads on the tor-talk mailing list has unfortunately reached an unacceptable level. Due to the fact that an interested Tor users must first wade through a flood of hundreds of emails that have nothing to do with Tor, [we] decided to open a new, moderated list called tor-users. The new list is maintained in moderated mode - QBI, Gamambel, Gunner and Griffin have kindly agreed to take over the moderation part on this list. This means, messages of new first-time posters need to get approved by a moderator. Users which are repeatedly posting useful or helpful answers may get whitelisted. This is done, because we need a helpful and supportive environment in which each user can ask questions and get it's concerns cleared. Obviously there are other views or perspectives on a specific subject and therefore discussions are always welcome - but also only on the thematic / technical level without harming anyone.

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We want to create a helpful and supportive environment in which each user can ask questions and get it's concerns cleared. What we explicitly don't want is a disruptive or harrassing behavior. Also, non-Tor-related / off-topic talks shouldn't be held here and will be rejected. This is a mailing list about Tor and it's technical aspects which means neither rape nor Jacob Appelbaum have anything to do with this.

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Sounds good, though the last part feels a little welcoming still to off topic posts. I'd suggest a harder line by saying that non-tor discussions should be taken to other venues.

Next step would be to announce it on our several other mailing lists.

For what it's worth I think we only need to announce this to tor-talk@. Tor-users@ is expressly replacing it - there's little reason the membership of tor-dev@, tor-relays@, and others would be interested.

Thanks for your feedback atagar, Ive changed it a little bit but I'm not quite sure about the last sentence.

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I read on proposed mail change and see some poster were deny or banned. I read tor-talk for tor thing... news ask howto questions cool projects (yes even HR announcements) and agree mod/ban for poster who only post thing that do not say "tor" (like random OT politik, especially harassment, troll type talk) or at least say some privacy or crypto or other software apps subject thing that maybe general interest to tor user like me and community of users.

But I also afraid Tor is now (subconscious?) plan to censor critique speech ban discuss news, of thing explicit involve tor, that it do not like to talk about, leaks about tor, technical exploits, development priorities, funds, structure, governance, forks, sponsor, the occaision deep meta spy thing, etc. User around world are interest in see those too and when see, some might have solution idea or want to volunteer to make better.

For ex, would this proposed new list, it moderation policy and/or moderators allow post of this link? What about more talk on it to find fact ,discuss to resolve ,strength and open process policy and org and so on. https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/4pw7bz/tor_infiltrated_by_cia_agent/

Where will users and people free discuss definitely tor things create ,about, by tor itself? Especially if all lists be silent moderated? This sound not good idea.

Where was even method tried of official, on list ,verbal "ADMIN:" announce of soft detopic or desist ,then mod user?

tor-users@ has been created. Closing.

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Resolution: N/A to fixed
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