Opened 16 months ago

Last modified 12 months ago

#24527 new enhancement

Inform users in Tor Launcher of which settings are best for them based on their country

Reported by: hellais Owned by: brade
Priority: Medium Milestone:
Component: Applications/Tor Launcher Version:
Severity: Normal Keywords: ux-team
Cc: mcs, antonela Actual Points:
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Description

Tor Browser Launcher would, for countries where we know Tor to either work for sure or not work for sure, advise users on whether to use a bridge or not.

This does open the question of "How does Tor Launcher know the country of the user"?

I think this is at the end of the day a UX question, that can have various ways of doing it. For example you can have the user input their country (but that is maybe a bit sketchy from the users perspective) or you could show them a list of countries where tor is known to work OK and a list of where it's known to not work.

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Change History (7)

comment:1 Changed 16 months ago by gk

Component: Applications/Tor BrowserApplications/Tor Launcher
Owner: changed from tbb-team to brade

comment:2 Changed 16 months ago by mcs

Cc: mcs added

comment:3 Changed 12 months ago by arma

Keywords: ux-team added

Adding the ux-team keyword to get their attention, since *how to inform the user* is one of the biggest questions here.

I think the approach where we tell the user a list of countries that need special configuration, and then the user can notice that they're in one of those countries, is a pretty compelling approach. Especially while that list of countries is 3 or 4, not 15 or 20.

comment:5 Changed 12 months ago by cypherpunks

The degree of censorship often varies more within a country between networks than between countries. Consider the typical user (many/most censored Tor users) on a restrictive surveilled network but in a country without filtering at the tier 1 Internet backbone level. If Tor Launcher tells them Tor works fine for them without bridges that is a false statement, and if it auto-selects vanilla Tor with no bridges that is unhelpful and useless at best.

Or someone could be in a country with national DPI but using a network whose route to the Internet is already tunneled through the DPI.

If there's a place to tell users in for example China that Tor is unlikely to work in their country, maybe on the download page? But it isn't a dynamic page.

comment:6 in reply to:  5 Changed 12 months ago by cypherpunks

Replying to cypherpunks:

If there's a place to tell users in for example China that Tor is unlikely to work in their country, maybe on the download page? But it isn't a dynamic page.

To the best of my knowledge meek-amazon does work in China and it's what is recommended on irc when someone from China wants their tor to work. Also I guess most Chinese people download their Tor Browser from Github (I tested at the time in 2017 with a proxy in mainland China and I found that Github didn't censor TB (the gettorbrowser repository), unlike something like this: https://qz.com/718465/chinas-fierce-censors-try-a-new-tactic-with-github-asking-nicely/ https://web.archive.org/web/200139239209390239230294439439944398349849843984398439if_/https://i.imgtc.com/uEO7sYR.jpg but it could well be the case that this has changed).

Edit: Yay, TB repository isn't blocked: https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns

Last edited 12 months ago by cypherpunks (previous) (diff)

comment:7 Changed 12 months ago by antonela

Cc: antonela added
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