Opened 21 months ago

Last modified 21 months ago

#24758 new defect

Wikipedia blocks edits from non-exit relays?

Reported by: arma Owned by: alison
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Description

We heard a report in the 34c3 relay operator meetup that wikipedia is blocking edits from non-exit relays. If this is so, it's clearly an unnecessary step on their part -- and the wikipedia people in the room declared that they would want to fix it.

One theory was that these non-exit relays had been exit relays for a little while in the distant past, and that was enough to get on a multi-year wikipedia blacklist.

One way to move forward would be to gather anecdotal data from more non-exit relay operators. It looks like just clicking on the 'edit' link on a random page is enough to tell?

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comment:1 Changed 21 months ago by vondjik

Resolution: invalid
Status: newclosed

It looks like just clicking on the 'edit' link on a random page is enough to tell?

Yes (ignoring the tiny amount of IPv6 non-exits where it may work), but the other rule you miss: Edits from IPs from hosting providers are forbidden according to Jimbo's Pedia:

The IP address that you are currently using has been blocked because
it is believed to be a web host provider. To prevent abuse, web hosts
may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. 

I may use some harsh words but I'd say just drop the entire thing with Wikipedia, they don't want to collaborate and they are actively cracking down on anything remotely associated with a proxy or hosting provider. Their foundation also asks far far money than they need to operate WP (search for a thread on that in news.ycombinator.com):

Dear Readers: We like money. We like money so much that we won't run advertisements, and would rather ask you in person to give us money. We, with open hearts, ask you to give us $15 for content generated for free (most of the time, those PR agents work extra around the holiday season!) from user input. Well, not YOUR user input, since you won't survive in an account for 15 minutes before one of our generous admins bans you from editing because you use Tor.

comment:2 Changed 21 months ago by arma

Resolution: invalid
Status: closedreopened

Please don't close my ticket.

I still think we should gather the data about how many non-exit relays are on wikipedia's blacklist, and if it's a lot, we should find out why, for those addresses in particular.

comment:3 Changed 21 months ago by arma

Status: reopenednew

comment:4 Changed 21 months ago by vondjik

Ok sorry for that arma.

LOL there's an exit that hasn't been blocked from editing for about a year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/95.165.133.22 https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/0A9B6EDD772D28A1EB5F45033BAFC9BF74EA8053 ).

comment:6 Changed 21 months ago by alison

I've written a message to tor-relays soliciting responses: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2018-January/014010.html

comment:7 Changed 21 months ago by cypherpunks

I don't know what you folks were expecting but Wikipedia is actively anti-privacy, pro-bullying: https://yawnbox.com/2014/11/01/wikipedia-continues-to-violate-my-privacy/

It's a big joke, I tried to make an account with Tor just for the lulz so I emailed them lying to them about how I was in Iran and "political activism against Trump" and only Tor would help me with that, they agreed to make an account, but it took them 6 months just to get me an account and reply back. What a big joke, and what a failed waste of donation money that project is.

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