#25755 closed defect (worksforme)

Choose name for new mailing list tor-lang-es

Reported by: ilv Owned by: alison
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Description

There has been discussions in the past (in person, and in tickets such as #15140) for creating a mailing list for Tor users, members and volunteers that speak Spanish. I proposed this in tor-project mailing list and it seems other people agree (or at least, no one disagrees).

I would like to ask for tor-lang-es. It would be a public list, and I offer to administer it. I know the name of the list had been a point of discussion in the past, so I am open for other suggestions.

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comment:1 Changed 20 months ago by arma

Be sure to answer the questions at
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/emailLists#HowdoIaskforanewmailinglist
or the list maintainers won't be able to proceed.

comment:2 Changed 20 months ago by ilv

Thanks for the tip arma. Before providing the answers I'd like to give some time to discuss the possible name with whomever is interested. The name tor-lang-es could be accurate but could also be a terrible name. I have some suggestions:

tor-lang-es
tor-spanish (this way we'd avoid possible conflicts for future lists such as tor-pt)
tor-espanol (this could be easier to understand for locals)

It will be good to hear opinions.

comment:3 in reply to:  2 ; Changed 20 months ago by arma

Component: Internal Services/Service - listsCommunity/Outreach
Owner: changed from qbi to alison
Summary: Create mailing list tor-lang-esChoose name for new mailing list tor-lang-es

Replying to ilv:

I'd like to give some time to discuss the possible name with whomever is interested.

Sounds great. In that case I'm moving this ticket out of the "please make this mailing list" component, so poor qbi doesn't go mad trying to figure out which tickets are asking for a list and which tickets aren't yet asking for a list. :)

tor-lang-es
tor-spanish (this way we'd avoid possible conflicts for future lists such as tor-pt)

Out of these two, I would pick the first one. Calling it "spanish" is just asking for people to get offended that you didn't want to use their own language's word for the language. :)

Speaking of language-specific names: what is the intended scope of the list? Is it for users? Developers? Journalists? Every possible thing in one list so long as the people want to write in español? I ask because if it's a general talk list, another option could be tor-talk-es. That name might have some baggage because of how many Internet cranks we have attracted to tor-talk (which in a sense served its purpose, to keep them away from the other more productive lists). But if you have people trying to propose bugfixes in español, and users trying to ask usage questions in español, and people discussing Facebook's privacy policies in español, all on this one list, did you succeed or fail?

tor-espanol (this could be easier to understand for locals)

My only concern here would be what happens when we want to create a tor-فارسی list, and whether email tools et al could handle such a thing.

comment:4 Changed 20 months ago by qbi

from https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2018-April/001732.html

I'd propose tor-talk-es, because tor-talk is our "main" list and attaching an ISO 639 code makes it clear that this is a list for spanish language. Furthermore this would allow to extend other lists (tor-dev-es, tor-relays-es, etc.) if there is enough interest.

comment:5 in reply to:  3 Changed 20 months ago by ilv

Replying to arma:

Replying to ilv:

I'd like to give some time to discuss the possible name with whomever is interested.

Sounds great. In that case I'm moving this ticket out of the "please make this mailing list" component, so poor qbi doesn't go mad trying to figure out which tickets are asking for a list and which tickets aren't yet asking for a list. :)

tor-lang-es
tor-spanish (this way we'd avoid possible conflicts for future lists such as tor-pt)

Out of these two, I would pick the first one. Calling it "spanish" is just asking for people to get offended that you didn't want to use their own language's word for the language. :)

Speaking of language-specific names: what is the intended scope of the list? Is it for users? Developers? Journalists? Every possible thing in one list so long as the people want to write in español? I ask because if it's a general talk list, another option could be tor-talk-es. That name might have some baggage because of how many Internet cranks we have attracted to tor-talk (which in a sense served its purpose, to keep them away from the other more productive lists). But if you have people trying to propose bugfixes in español, and users trying to ask usage questions in español, and people discussing Facebook's privacy policies in español, all on this one list, did you succeed or fail?

In this case we succeed. The idea is to have a general discussion, in the sense of having a space for coordinating efforts, asks questions, announce events, etc. The purpose of this is to empower new communities, and for that matter I think it would be good to start all together. We could split once we have a solid/loud community for a specific language (could be years, could be never). I don't think tor-talk-es would be good for this because it would merely replicate the current model, and because of its current reputation :)

tor-espanol (this could be easier to understand for locals)

My only concern here would be what happens when we want to create a tor-فارسی list, and whether email tools et al could handle such a thing.

Good point. I think we should go with tor-lang-es and then see what happens.

comment:6 Changed 20 months ago by ilv

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