Opened 14 months ago

Closed 6 months ago

Last modified 6 months ago

#27951 closed task (fixed)

decide how to handle torproject.be (was: integrate torproject.be into our dns)

Reported by: goose Owned by: tpa
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Component: Internal Services/Tor Sysadmin Team Version:
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Description

Hi,

I just registered torproject.be (Belgium) and would like to suggest an integration into the torproject DNS like we did with torproject.fr (Ticket 11320).

Please let me know if you want me to put ns1-5.torproject.org in place.

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comment:1 Changed 7 months ago by arma

Component: Internal ServicesInternal Services/Tor Sysadmin Team
Owner: set to tpa
Summary: integrate torproject.be into our dnsdecide how to handle torproject.be (was: integrate torproject.be into our dns)

I'm retitling this one so it's clear that it's more about a decision than about an action.

At the Fosdem meeting among the systems, the general consensus was that accumulating more and more torproject domains around the world wasn't really a sustainable plan, especially because there are confusing and indistinguishable ones like torproject.in that aren't being responsibly kept up to date.

So I think the plan there might have been to discourage getting more torproject domains, and stop renewing existing ones (like torproject.is).

All of that said, I am putting this in the tor sysadmin component so Anarcat and Linus and weasel can come to a consensus on what we decided. :)

comment:2 Changed 7 months ago by arma

And once a choice is made here, somebody should address #27720.

comment:3 Changed 6 months ago by anarcat

there's a potential infinity of such domain name. it's a difficult call to make, but once you start buying them, you might never stop because new TLDs will always come up. should we buy torproject.amazon? how about torproject.io? or torproject.in?

my personal belief is that getting a larger variety of domain names only serves to confuse users about what the real hostname is. unless we have a purpose for the .be, we shouldn't be using it. if a new domain comes up that causes trouble, we can always take it down with trademark law, presumably.

but i wasn't in fosdem so I haven't heard the other arguments. one problem with not renewing the existing domains is that they *will* be squatted (instead of just not answering) so there's that component as well.

comment:4 Changed 6 months ago by goose

I have to say that i disagree with every single point you just made. If someone offers to pay for a torproject tld and even offers DNS control to the project then it should not be rejected. It is also not confusing at all if the domain name is integrated into the project's DNS. Everybody ends up at torproject.org, so what is the confusion all about ? In fact those domains make sure that people end up at the right place.

Regarding the "not being renewd/squatting" point, i have to say that torproject.fr is working fine for a number of years right now and i just thought well i don't mind spending a few more bucks for .be. Somehow my domains are always paid for. It may be that other people don't take care of their domains however i am not one of "them". By far the worst argument was well we don't want those domains and if we don't like what we see we just send in the lawyers. That is just arrogant, ungreatful, expensive and unnecessary at least when it comes to the domains i'm responsible for.

comment:5 Changed 6 months ago by ln5

Thanks for donating time and money to Tor Project. Unfortunately you're donating something that we no longer want.

The decision made in our February meeting is documented here: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2019BrusselsAdminTeamMinutes#Domainportfoliolikeshouldwedrop.is The ticket dealing with this is #29390.

Please stop serving torproject.fr and torproject.be. If possible, please keep the domains registered for "some time". Dropping the DNS requests on the floor is fine.

Thanks again for your efforts and please accept my apologies for not reaching out to you earlier regarding the .fr domain.

comment:6 Changed 6 months ago by ln5

Resolution: fixed
Status: newclosed

comment:7 Changed 6 months ago by anarcat

just for the record, i didn't mean we should send lawyers to members of the community. i meant that if we get squatters that take over the domains for hostile purposes, we might have a legal recourse.

apologies if i was misunderstood.

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