Opened 7 years ago

Closed 4 years ago

Last modified 4 years ago

#9117 closed defect (fixed)

Remove startpage.com from TBB 3.0 branch

Reported by: phobos Owned by: tbb-team
Priority: Medium Milestone:
Component: Applications/Tor Browser Version:
Severity: Normal Keywords:
Cc: adrelanos@… Actual Points:
Parent ID: Points:
Reviewer: Sponsor:

Description

I have a request from Startpage.com/ixquick to remove themselves from the local search bar in the "about:tor" page. They have concerns about handling the traffic load and time to scale their infrastructure up to meet the expect demand.

While discussions continue, we need to find a replacement search engine by default.

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Change History (9)

comment:1 Changed 7 years ago by proper

Cc: adrelanos@… added

Why not use a revolver mechanism? Add 3 or 4 suitable default search engines and pick for each request a different default search engine, chosen randomly.

comment:2 Changed 7 years ago by bastik

I asked DDG [1] if it would be welcomed to make use of DDG for the TBB.

There's no official answer, yet. I consider the reply of 'bizarre' as opinion hold by a moderator. He points out that the hidden-service could be used as well. I don't know how error-prone hidden-services are. Ultimately I assume that the "normal" website will work at any time, unless there's a big problem.

[1] https://duck.co/topic/duckduckgo-as-default-search-engine-for-the-tor-browser-bundle

comment:3 in reply to:  1 Changed 7 years ago by bastik

Replying to proper:

Why not use a revolver mechanism? Add 3 or 4 suitable default search engines and pick for each request a different default search engine, chosen randomly.

If that is something to be considered would it be possible to have this as an option?

I personally like to know where my queries end up, before I make them.

Generally I'm *not* against this approach. I'm not sure how TBB users will see this. It could also feel like a bug, when query A ends up on search-engine X and query B on Y, so it would need to be stated somewhere to avoid confusion and bug-reports.

comment:4 in reply to:  2 Changed 7 years ago by bastik

There's now a reply by the founder of DuckDuckGo [1] in which he gives absolute green light for DDG being used for this purpose. So no high risk for being ask to be removed from the local search bar.

He also states that he's considering changes to be more tor-friendly.

[1] https://duck.co/topic/duckduckgo-as-default-search-engine-for-the-tor-browser-bundle#28469000001505253

As a follow up to the hidden-service they run, the only real benefit I see is not relying on a CA infrastructure. (I don't use hidden-services at all)

comment:5 Changed 7 years ago by biosh

Another benefit of using DDG hidden service is that NSA won't log the searches on their way from exit node (encrypted or not, SSL is not reliable anymore).

I'd prefer having both DDG hidden service and DDG main website in the search bar.

comment:6 Changed 6 years ago by erinn

Component: TorBrowserButtonTor Browser
Keywords: tbb-torbutton added
Owner: changed from mikeperry to tbb-team

comment:7 Changed 4 years ago by bugzilla

Keywords: torbrowser tbb-torbutton removed
Severity: Normal
Status: newneeds_information

Is this still an issue?

comment:8 Changed 4 years ago by gk

Resolution: fixed
Status: needs_informationclosed

Startpage is not on about:tor anymore, so we are good here.

comment:9 Changed 4 years ago by bugzilla

Oh, maybe, you haven't read the comments of this ticket. They are about switching to DDG on about:tor.

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