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    1 This page aims to list community experiences with Tor and various Internet Service Providers (ISPs) around the world. Some ISPs are Tor-friendly, some are not. Some are competent and clueful about
    2 Tor or about security in general. Let us know!
     1This page aims to list community experiences with Tor and various Internet Service Providers (ISPs) around the world. Some ISPs are Tor-friendly, some are not. Some are competent and clueful about Tor or about security in general. Let us know!
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    4 Be sure to provide useful information like how much bandwidth you pushed, whether you thought
    5 the deal was cheap or expensive, how hard you had to work to make them understand what's going
    6 on, how long your server has been running, and whether you'd recommend them to others.
     3Be sure to provide useful information like how much bandwidth you pushed, whether you thought the deal was cheap or expensive, how hard you had to work to make them understand what's going on, how long your server has been running, and whether you'd recommend them to others.
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    8 ISPs we've had good experiences with:
    9  * Cox.net(US) is great when it comes to running any sort of server. They only block ports 80, 25 (as far as I know), and they don't monitor bandwidth usage at all. I haven't had any problems with them, and I use dozens of GB of in and out bandwidth per month.  -- DavidBendit [[DateTime(2005-06-22T05:54:22Z)]]
     5= Good experiences =
     6
     7== US ==
     8
     9 * [[http://www.cyberonic.com|Cyberonic]] is now on the COVAD backbone, so you should be able to get service from them anywhere you could get other COVAD-based service.  They offer 6.0m/768kbps at $59/month, w/ a static IP.  Can't recall ever having downtime due to them and their TOS only restrict Email relay servers (and that's probably only enforced if you have complaints).  All other servers ok.  If you sign up, tell 'em brianwc sent you and I think I get a free month. -- [[BrianC|brianwc]]
     10 * RoadRunner (TimeWarner) (USA): Very reliable service. Been running web server on 80 for several years. IP changes when cable modem reset (almost never for me). No ports blocked (that I know of). No BW limits, only speed caps. I've got 5Mbps down/384kbps up. Definitely recommend. Running Tor since Jan 06. -- MichaelAnsel
     11 * [[http://www.speakeasy.net/|Speakeasy]] allows users to run arbitrary servers without port or traffic volume restrictions.  Static IP addresses are offered without question or complaint.
     12 * [[http://www.slicehost.com/|Slicehost/Rackspace]] (a hosting provider, not an ISP) allows running Tor on their servers, but if anybody downloads copyrighted material illegally through Tor, that's a ToS violation. I had an issue with a DMCA (copyright violation) notice triggered by Tor activity exiting through my server, and I had to agree to block the port on which the material was downloaded for them to let me continue running the exit relay. Setting an ExitPolicy that only allows certain ports is probably smart if you don't want to get into trouble. Otherwise, the service is great; each server gets guaranteed 10 Mbps, and the network has never been down in the 6 months I've been a customer. Plans start at US $20/month, reasonably cheap as these things go.
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     14
     15== Germany ==
     16 * EUServ seems to be a good ISP for Tor. They have a bad support, but if you  know how to maintain your server, this ISP is a good choice.
     17 * [[http://www.hetzner.de|Hetzner]] are a German hosting provider with a number of Tor servers running on Dedicated Hosts. So far they appear to be tolerant of Tor services although no abuse has been reported to test this. --[[Steve_Crook]]
    1018 * IPX-Server.de (DE) has generous traffic limits (there are contracts including 1TB/Mo) and behaves as I'd expect it from good partners. Some BSA-notice regarding Torrents arrived, they informed me and told me to stop this "illegal activities" and said, after reading and (at least it seems so) understanding my reply explaining tor with "ok, we won't interfere, your problem".
     19 * http://www.keyweb.de/ offers cheap and reliable Virtuals Servers with 2GB HDD-space and liberal policies. The cheapest VPS is around 8 Euros.
     20 * [[https://www.server4you.de/|Server4You]] (Germany, part of [[http://www.intergenia.de/|Intergenia AG]]) hasn't complained about a tor server (running on a non-virtual server) pushing 300GB/month for more than two years. They only block incoming port 6667. They are hosting more than a dozen tor servers.  -- SvenNeuhaus (2008/01)
     21
     22== Finland ==
     23
    1124 * TeliaSonera Finland: Largest ISP in Finland. I've been running Tor node on 8/1 ADSL with semipermanent IP address (changes rarely). ISP has not interfered in anyway. They block only port 25. In the future TSF may activate "black lists" based on DSN (sorry effort to "fight kiddied porn). 60+ kBps continuosly. -- JussiSavola
     25
     26== Norway ==
     27 * NextGentel (Norway): Allows Tor-servers. Assists Norwegian secret police in doing total surveillance of customers they torture for sharing their opinion without warrant or even a reason.
     28
     29== Sweden ==
    1230  * TeliaSonera is also big in Sweden and deliver where other ISPs can't (They were previously the state monopoly, which they still are, but they now pretend it's free competition while they still own all the fiber). Blocks port 25 for all customers. Does not bother Tor-server operators.
    13  * NextGentel (Norway): Allows Tor-servers. Assists Norwegian secret police in doing total surveillance of customers they torture for sharing their opinion without warrant or even a reason.
    14  * RoadRunner (TimeWarner) (USA): Very reliable service. Been running web server on 80 for several years. IP changes when cable modem reset (almost never for me). No ports blocked (that I know of). No BW limits, only speed caps. I've got 5Mbps down/384kbps up. Definitely recommend. Running Tor since Jan 06. -- MichaelAnsel
    15  * [http://www.hetzner.de Hetzner] are a German hosting provider with a number of Tor servers running on Dedicated Hosts. So far they appear to be tolerant of Tor services although no abuse has been reported to test this. --[wiki:Steve_Crook Steve Crook]
    16  * [http://www.cyberonic.com Cyberonic] is now on the COVAD backbone, so you should be able to get service from them anywhere you could get other COVAD-based service.  They offer 6.0m/768kbps at $59/month, w/ a static IP.  Can't recall ever having downtime due to them and their TOS only restrict Email relay servers (and that's probably only enforced if you have complaints).  All other servers ok.  If you sign up, tell 'em brianwc sent you and I think I get a free month. -- [wiki:BrianC brianwc]
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    18 ISPs we've had bad experiences with:
    19  * The german ISP Plusserver.de shut down h07onion due to gross incompetence. Look at http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/Mar-2005/msg00120.html for more details.
    20  * [http://www.sonic.net SONIC.NET] of Santa Rosa, CA have terms of service that would apparently be Tor-friendly; but this thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15272743 includes comments by SONIC.NET's CEO that don't sound particularly friendly or open to the idea of running an exit node.
    21  * [http://www.layeredtech.com LayeredTech] are a server hosting company located in Texas.  I ran a server for six months without any issues, but then someone used the Tor server to exploit a PHP vulnerability.  Explaining the goals of Tor to LayeredTech resulted in it being made clear that I was responsible for any and all abuse through my IP address. Shortly after this they ordered me to shutdown Tor. --[wiki:Steve_Crook Steve Crook]
    22  * The german ISP Xantron ended up killing the tor server process on my vServer. --SvenNeuhaus
    23  * The german ISP EuServ / ISPro -- they just broke the contract, switching our Server off. -- [wiki:padeluun padeluun]
    24  * [http://www.ezzi.net/home/ Ezzi.net]. Running Tor was fine until Undernet mailed Ezzi.net a complaint which falsely claimed Tor was somehow a "botnet". This made a [http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=507073&page=4 very rude person at Ezzi] send a mail which falsely claimed the Tor servers were hacked and "It appears whoever caused this hacked the servers by brute forcing SSH logins and uploading a fake httpd binary and launching it.". This person kept on insisting the servers were hacked after being politely informed that Undernet had confused Tor traffic with a "botnet" and that the servers where not compromised in any way, so it's kind of hard to tell if the person was troublesome because the person did not understand what Tor is or if this person at Ezzi generally just imagines things and think they are part of reality. But it is clear that most ezzi customers [http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=507073&page=4 become ex-customers after meeting this known-to-be-rude tech].
     32== Canada ==
     33  * [[http://www.teksavvy.ca|TekSavvy]] has a server-friendly Internet Use Policy (e.g., running a Tor relay) and has taken a stand in favour of net neutrality. (2008-12)
     34
     35= Bad experience =
     36
     37== US ==
    2538 * Charter: "Bandwidth Sharing", or indeed any type of "Server" is forbidden on Charter. They appear to be imposing an artificial bandwidth limit is well. -- ManaUser
     39 * [[http://www.ezzi.net/home/|Ezzi.net]]. Running Tor was fine until Undernet mailed Ezzi.net a complaint which falsely claimed Tor was somehow a "botnet". This made a [[http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=507073&page=4|very rude person at Ezzi]] send a mail which falsely claimed the Tor servers were hacked and "It appears whoever caused this hacked the servers by brute forcing SSH logins and uploading a fake httpd binary and launching it.". This person kept on insisting the servers were hacked after being politely informed that Undernet had confused Tor traffic with a "botnet" and that the servers where not compromised in any way, so it's kind of hard to tell if the person was troublesome because the person did not understand what Tor is or if this person at Ezzi generally just imagines things and think they are part of reality. But it is clear that most ezzi customers [[http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=507073&page=4|become ex-customers after meeting this known-to-be-rude tech]].
     40 * [[http://www.layeredtech.com|LayeredTech]] are a server hosting company located in Texas.  I ran a server for six months without any issues, but then someone used the Tor server to exploit a PHP vulnerability.  Explaining the goals of Tor to LayeredTech resulted in it being made clear that I was responsible for any and all abuse through my IP address. Shortly after this they ordered me to shutdown Tor. --[[Steve_Crook]]
     41 * [[http://www.sonic.net|SONIC.NET]] of Santa Rosa, CA have terms of service that would apparently be Tor-friendly; but this thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15272743 includes comments by SONIC.NET's CEO that don't sound particularly friendly or open to the idea of running an exit node.
     42 * [[http://linode.com|Linode]] will TERMINATE YOUR SERVICE if you run an exit node.  They disregard DMCA conduit protections.  They will lead you on at first that it's OK so long as you aren't personally violating the DMCA.  I even asked if it was OK to exit first and was told yes.  I sung high praises of Linode.  Only to get a rather hostile "Do not let this happen again" message months later.  Bad Experience.  Will not continue service with Linode.  Do not waste your time with them.
     43 * [[http://www.tektonic.net|Tektonic]] will suspend your VPS with no prior notice if you run "any proxy".  They used to tolerate TOR if you didn't run an exit node but they are now apparently auditing the VPSs for processes named tor.  They did however restore the VPS very promptly after I promised to uninstall tor and privoxy.
     44 * Comcast's [[http://www.comcast.net/terms/use/|Acceptable Use Policy]] for '''residential''' customers says no servers or proxies under "Technical Restrictions" (2009-08-10 tip from Scott Bennett).
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    27 == Phobos' research ==
    28 ||ISP Name||Allowed IRC?||Allowed Proxies?||Allowed Tor?||
    29 ||[http://www.cihost.com CI Host]||N||Y||Y||
    30 ||[http://www.iweb.ca Iweb.ca]||N||Y||Y||
    31 ||[http://www.hostvoice.com Host Voice]||N||N||N||
    32 ||[http://www.superservers.com Super Servers]||N||N||N||
    33 ||[http://www.vericenter.com Vericenter]||N||Y||Y||
    34 ||[http://www.dedicatednow.com Dedicated Now]||N||Y||Y||
    35 ||[http://www.softlayer.com Soft Layer]||Y||Y||Y||
    36 ||[http://www.tektonic.com Tek Tonic]||N||N||N||
    37 ||[http://www.unixshell.com Unixshell]||N||N||N||
    38 ||[http://www.verizon.net Verizon FiOS]||N||N||N||
     46=== Phobos' research ===
     47||ISP Name ||Allowed IRC? ||Allowed Proxies? ||Allowed Tor? ||
     48||[[http://www.cihost.com|CI Host]] ||N ||Y ||Y ||
     49||[[http://www.iweb.ca|Iweb.ca]] ||N ||Y ||Y ||
     50||[[http://www.hostvoice.com|Host Voice]] ||N ||N ||N ||
     51||[[http://www.superservers.com|Super Servers]] ||N ||N ||N ||
     52||[[http://www.vericenter.com|Vericenter]] ||N ||Y ||Y ||
     53||[[http://www.dedicatednow.com|Dedicated Now]] ||N ||Y ||Y ||
     54||[[http://www.softlayer.com|Soft Layer]] ||Y ||Y ||Y ||
     55||[[http://www.tektonic.com|Tek Tonic]] ||N ||N ||N ||
     56||[[http://www.unixshell.com|Unixshell]] ||N ||N ||N ||
     57||[[http://www.verizon.net|Verizon FiOS]] ||N ||N ||N ||
     58Notes:
     59
     60 * Unixshell/Tektonic are the same company.  They nullroute you on the first abuse complaint.  Middleman nodes are ok, but the abuse dept requests "SafeLogging 0" set in your torrc and wants full access to your logs on demand.
     61 * Verizon FiOS officially does not allow any incoming traffic, they reserve the right to disconnect you at any time for violation of this policy.  Users have run middleman nodes without any incidents from VZ.  Exit nodes with abuse problems have resulted in legal threats and disconnection threats, but no disconnection as of yet.
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    41 Notes: 
    42  * Unixshell/Tektonic are the same company.  They nullroute you on the first abuse complaint.  Middleman nodes are ok, but the abuse dept requests "SafeLogging 0" set in your torrc and wants full access to your logs on demand. 
    43  * Verizon FiOS officially does not allow any incoming traffic, they reserve the right to disconnect you at any time for violation of this policy.  Users have run middleman nodes without any incidents from VZ.  Exit nodes with abuse problems have resulted in legal threats and disconnection threats, but no disconnection as of yet.
     64== Germany ==
     65 * The german ISP dogado ended up killing the tor server process and blocking the OR-port on my vServer. --d00b
     66 * The german ISP EuServ / ISPro -- they just broke the contract, switching our Server off. -- [[padeluun]]
     67 * [[http://www.manitu.de/|Manitu]] forbids any anonymisation techniques
     68 in their AGBs --qbi
     69 * [[http://www.ovh.de|OVH]] (German ISP) offers root server with a high
     70 bandwith (up to 5.000 kB/s). They changed their AGB and cancel
     71 "problematic" contracts very fast.--qbi
     72 * The german ISP Plusserver.de shut down h07onion due to gross incompetence. Look at http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/Mar-2005/msg00120.html for more details.
     73 * The german ISP Xantron ended up killing the tor server process on my vServer. --SvenNeuhaus
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     75== France ==
     76  * The french hosting company [[http://www.dedibox.fr|dedibox]] (member of [[http://www.iliad.fr/|iliad]]) suspended without warning a bunch a machines that were running Tor after the police came down about creditcard fraud.
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     78== Canada ==
     79 * Rogers has a no-servers clause in the TOS for their home internet service.  If you are running an exit node and receive DMCA notices, you will have no legal recourse except to cancel service. (2008-03)