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Around the Tor world: Tor on mobile

1) Big picture thinking 
Let's change our perspective of what mobile is. It's not about getting an app in the App Store.

How does Tor work on these small computers? You have a lot of specific experiences that you have that are not in computers-with-keyboards.

There is much that could be done: e.g. a lot of the IoT devices are a something that Tor can help be more secure. Good things on the horizon to think about.

We have great iOS devs here at the meeting who shipped big apps working with Tor. Also, the OONI team.

We have a concerted effort to bring Tor to iOS.

2) More in detail

Orbot is getting more and more users.

OrFox has a million installs – it's a real browser, the full thing, we can rely on it.
https://guardianproject.info/2015/06/30/orfox-aspiring-to-bring-tor-browser-to-android/

Other things working well: pluggable transports, hidden services.

Reproducibility of mobile is also very exciting for us and we are getting some OTF support for it.

Question: Signal over Tor?
It would be great! Still a challenge of architecture. More to come.


- been using tor meeting to change perspective around what tor on mobile is
 - lets build tor apps for appstores and smartphones - great! but think about tor running in nontraditional devices, pervasive devices, personal devices, things that are around us
  - what happens when tor switches between 3g/wifi/2g/running out of data, what happens to hidden services
  - important because NSA, someone related, dont have to worry about encryption because of great new side channel of internet of things
  - tor is opportunity to improve security across the board
  - example - chip computer, $9, runs debian, runs tor
  - tor on baby monitors, microwaves, car dashboards, these are everywhere, and have Horrible security, hidden services have a lot of value here

- 2 really awesome iphone developers at the meeting
- mike tigas, onion browser
- obfs4proxy on iphone
- tor on ios is an interesting challenge, it takes a whole different mindset, expertise, to make compromises, changes of expectations how things will work, happy we have people working on that
- excited because some of the best iphone deveopers in the world working on this
- think this year we'll see a lot of progress
- may not be like torbrowser on iphone, but ricochet on iphone, onionshare, ooniprobe, things that should technically work
- like on android - orfox, not likely to happen on iphone unless apple changes policies

questions
- getting apple to change policies
- working with mozilla to lean on them


- secure camera app - cameraV, evidence grade camera app for activists, fully encrypted, lets you select the photos, send the files via onionshare, orbot gets onion, can
- onionshare is an intent that can be used by other applications
- hidden services on smartphones works really well now, tor core made some improvements
- orbot, orfox, more apps are integrating our sdk, big outreach campaign - i f afacebook intern can make it work, so can you
- orfox getting out of beta

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