wiki:org/meetings/2019Stockholm/Notes/SnowflakeVolunteers
  • how do we get more people to participate in anti-censorship
    • obfs4 bridge campaign
    • how can we get more snowflakes?
  • what do p2p apps use for nat punching?
    • georgetown race guy who sometimes lives in china should know
  • a few years ago there was a blog bridge campaign
  • todo: have a contact address in our setup guide for people to complain to
  • should reach out to pets and foci people and ask to set up default bridges
  • ask existing highly-used bridges to turn their bridges into default bridges
  • is it a problem to have default bridges run in the same AS?
    • capacity vs safety -> atm we want capacity
    • same applies to exits and bridges "myth" -> capacity is more important
  • what kind of usage info is exposed to people?
    • approximate number of users per country
  • tor's throttling not accurate enough
    • griffin's bridge reached cap 20 days into the month
    • default bridge ops need guidance on that
  • orbot has different default bridges for countries
  • would pay off to not have same bridges in tor browser and orbot
    • so they're not all blocked at the same time
  • what if harvard runs a bridge, given that china loves harvard?
    • at what granularity would gfw block bridge?
  • snowflake status: having things run in a browser tab isn't relevant anymore
    • you need an extension these days
  • once you're connected, snowflake should only say "connected"
    • only mention numbers once you have > 0
  • how to get more snowflakes
    • twitter
    • blog post
    • tp.o website frontpage
    • talks
    • once it gets more popular, people will do advertisement for us
  • roger's defcon talk is in early august
  • cupcake is 2-3k active users each day
    • griffin could shove it into package
    • there was only about one user at any time
    • griffin gave a lot of talks on it (lightning talks etc., workshops, ...)
    • cupcake hasn't even gotten press coverage
  • we shouldn't burn our chance to polish it before it gets super popular
    • we should coordinate growth and attention
    • more important is 1) making sure that it scales, 2) we know what's going on, and 3) the tool is fun to use -> the rest will follow
  • #1 reason for cupcake uninstalls: crazy bandwidth spikes
    • rate limiting may also be important
    • client and bridge could rate-limit, so the snowflake proxy doesn't have to
  • instead of "how many people have i helped" inform "how many people have all snowflakes" helped? you're part of the snowflake blizzard.
  • broker could inform snowflake proxies how often they should poll again
    • that way we can keep the polling rate of all proxies constant
  • cohosh has script on chinese vps that periodically tries to connect to snowflakes
    • proxy-go instances running on bridge were blocked for a while
  • does ooni test where webrtc is available?
    • we don't think so
    • would be difficult to ship webrtc with ooni
    • ooni *could* however test stun servers (todo) + stun servers work over udp + tells you what your own external address is
  • snowflake is working on orbot as a client, so they can use it as a bridge
    • part of that is also about being a snowflake
    • they're ready to turn it on
  • orbot doesn't have moat, so they're in a bad situation when it comes to getting new bridges (copy&paste is also annoying)
    • large binary is also a nuisance (our new pure-go implementation would help with that)
  • our new pure-go webrtc implementation also has a media channel
    • pionwebrtc is actively maintained and maintainers are super excited to help us in case of blocking
  • todo: what diagrams/graphs/screenshots do we want roger to present?
    • needs to be done by july 25
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