Opened 6 years ago

Closed 6 years ago

#10696 closed task (wontfix)

New list: jobs-announce

Reported by: StrangeCharm Owned by:
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Component: Internal Services/Tor Sysadmin Team Version:
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Description

When we plan new projects, sometimes we have jobs which need doing, money to pay for them, and nobody lined up to do them. This mailing list is so that we can announce those jobs and contract work, and invite folks to apply for the doing of them.

It's an announcement list. Only a few people should be able to post, but lots and lots of people should be able to subscribe. The archives should be public.

I don't know who the permanent owner should be. I want to say “Phobos!” because Phobos should be responsible for all the things, right? I'm happy to be list-owner until we find someone better.

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Change History (6)

comment:1 Changed 6 years ago by atagar

Hi Tom. This list is an interesting idea since it treads into the realm of 'what kind of people would we like to recruit?'

My first thought when reading this was "If we're looking for developers, then what's wrong with a recruiting email to tor-dev@?".

The usual reason for an announcement list is to cut down on noise, so the obvious reply is "Well, people might want to *just* listen for job postings where they can make money. Not all development discussions." But if that's the case then do we want those people in the first place?

comment:2 Changed 6 years ago by StrangeCharm

I think we do. *I* only read <tor-dev> occasionally. I don't think the <tor-dev>-reading community is large and diverse enough that we should only be willing to contract with those people. In particular, I am willing to gamble heavily that our dev list is read primarily by well-to-do white dudes. Tor already primarily pays white dudes, and I think that we should try and hire more broadly, not more insularly. Further reading: <http://ashedryden.com/blog/the-ethics-of-unpaid-labor-and-the-oss-community>

I also think that having a jobs list may lead to more onward-sharing of postings, making it easier for us to find the right person for the job.

comment:3 Changed 6 years ago by atagar

Interesting read, especially the take on meritocracy. I'm wary whenever someone plays a race card to justify something, but the article makes some good points about early inequality having derived impact on the ability to contribute. I'm still worried about targeted recruitment from folks just interested in a pay check rather than our community but I'll defer on this if Karsten or Andrew think it's a good idea.

comment:4 Changed 6 years ago by karsten

Status: newneeds_information

The process that Damian, Andrew, and I agreed on today is that we create a mailing list if whoever wants that list is going to be the list moderator. I assume StrangeCharm doesn't want to own this list anymore. Is there anybody else who wants this mailing list to exist and own it? If not, we should close this ticket.

comment:5 Changed 6 years ago by atagar

Component: Service - listsTor Sysadmin Team
Status: needs_informationnew

New policy is that any tor person can request a list, so approved. :)

Erinn, please update this when you can with the rest of the answers to this.

comment:6 Changed 6 years ago by atagar

Resolution: wontfix
Status: newclosed

Oops, missed that we needed an owner for this list (since StrangeCharm is no longer a current project manager). Feel free to reopen if we get a maintainer.

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